Bundy’s Critics Overlook How The West–Or Turf Anywhere–Was Won In The First Place

By Donald Joy    / 23 April 2014    / 41 Comments

Even among some Tea Party types, there are voices who are saying Cliven Bundy is just a free-loading, renegade rancher who should have been paying the fees to the feds for these last couple of decades, for his herds’ foraging around on “federal lands.” They say Bundy is flat-out wrong in the showdown with the Bureau of Land Management.  Such commenters miss an all-important point when arguing about who really owns the Nevada territory in question, who has jurisdiction over it, the right to use it, to demand payment for use, and so on.

In the paragraphs which follow, I will lay out the case that although might does not necessarily make “right,” the prevalence of stealth and superior physical force in acquiring, administering, and defending territory is and has always been the way of the world since time immemorial.  To think that preceding tribal prerogatives, treaties, or modern legal arguments can or will ever change this fact is quite naive.

The most strident Bundy-bashers insist that the federal government has a clear-cut case against Bundy, and they point to the fact that multiple courts have already ruled against him–just who does he think he is, anyway, to think he can just skip out on paying twenty years’ worth of grazing fees to a *cough* “legitimate” government administration?  Where does the Bundy family get off, rallying these heavily-armed militia types from all over the country to help them defy the feds when the heat comes down?

Well, I ask, in reply–just who did the Sons of Liberty think they were, when in 1773 they conducted a blatantly illegal midnight raid in Boston harbor, boarding ships disguised as Indians and dumping loads and loads of a shipment of tea overboard, in their now-legendary political protest against what they saw as a tyrannical government; a daring act of violence against property which helped spark the American Revolution?

Americans have traditionally seen that episode in our nation’s history, the Boston Tea Party, along with other famous protests and the bloody war which ensued, as an heroic struggle of defiance against corrupt authority, ushering in an unprecedented age of human experience: The birth of a new country and a new society in which government power–with its tendency to grow, encroach, and abuse–is held in check by citizens (instead of the other way around), and based on carefully written documents spelling out the paramount rights of individuals and the specific, strictly limited role and powers of government.

However, before our early leaders could finally, formally codify all of the ideas and principles upon which America was founded into systematized law and courts and agencies–they first had to sneak around, plotting and conspiring against the royal British colonial government, and then they had to openly confront and kill as many of the king’s warriors on the battlefield as necessary to obtain Cornwallis’ surrender, to be able to ultimately say, with triumphant confidence, that the territory “belonged” to the United States of America–not to the crown.

Oh yes, and before that, European explorers and pioneers and settlers and armies had to first cross the ocean and “steal” the land, as conquerors, from the Indians, or Native Americans, aboriginals, redskins or whatever we are to call them.  I mean the tribes of once-migratory nations who had also “stolen” this land from whichever tribes held it or used it before them, those wandering tribes having defeated prior tribes, and down through the ages.

By the way, paleface and non-paleface readers, did you know that there’s fairly recent, good archaeological evidence (Google “Solutrean hypothesis”) that white people populated this continent centuries before the so-called “Indians” did, but that those old honkies were eventually genocided out of existence here by later invading tribes of non-whites?  Kind of like what’s happening now, with La Reconquista, AZTLAN…”history repeats,” as they say…

I wonder if any of those who say Bundy is wrong for not paying to use property they say doesn’t belong to him, would also look back throughout history and declare all of our civilization’s explorers, pioneers, conquerors, rebel armies, and founding fathers as more or less equally wrong?  What about the Israelis, who founded and won their Zionist homeland through incredible feats of agricultural reclamation and all-out battle against foes who insisted (and still insist) that the territory was/is really theirs?

What about the Falkland Islands?  What about Ukraine?  Cyprus?  Taiwan?  East Germany, The Balkans, Kurdistan, Armenia, Tibet, Kashmir, Northern Ireland, Kuwait?  Grenada?  Those examples are just some of the more modern ones; never mind the centuries and centuries of Thermopylaes and Bunkervilles and Stalingrads and Viennas which came before, throughout the globe.

To the victor go the spoils.

There’s no real difference between the supporters of Cliven Bundy and the original Sons of Liberty of America’s founding at the Boston Tea Party (or at the Boston Massacre, or at Lexington Green)–none, that is, except in this case it’s the government, not the rebels, who are violently destroying property–killing Bundy’s cattle and dumping them in mass graves, whereas the Tea Partiers only dumped chests of tea into the harbor.  And the feds have held their fire at Bunkerville.  So far.

In common, the Sons of Liberty and Bundy’s supporters share an identical Declaration of Independence; specifically, the desire to live productively, free from oppressive micro-management by the dictates of distant, unelected bureaucrats and usurpers.

At the time of our Constitution’s ratification, the federal government was created by the several states to serve the individual states’ united interests–not the other way around.  After the Civil War, which was yet another case of sheer, brutal and ruthless armed violent force determining the outcome of all-out conflict over territorial jurisdiction, the federal government obtained massive and heavy new powers over the states, under which the states have been chafing ever since.

My position is that if (and that’s a Mojave-sized if) Bundy and his supporters can successfully hold off the feds indefinitely, then what we are witnessing is the beginning of a bona-fide secession movement, not in theory but in actuality; secession from what even many of Bundy’s detractors acknowledge is in many respects an out-of-control, overreaching, and corrupt federal Leviathan.

If secession takes hold and spreads, we will see an outright revolution.  I’m not saying I think it will happen, since the feds could squash it with enough ruthlessness, but who knows?  Perhaps there simply aren’t enough willing corrupt-ocrats at the controls to put down the revolt, and ultimately, maybe the ranks of Obama’s minions contain enough “Oathkeeper” types to make revolution possible, given that such conscientious people find the movement sufficiently about more than mere turf to come along.

I wonder of what, who, and where, exactly, a new country on this continent would consist.

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Radical Factions of Political Parties

Obama has spent the weekend calling Tea Party people ‘Radical” and claiming they shut down the government, that they are preventing moving forward.

Well, I want to point out who the real Radicals in America are.
They are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein.  They are Obama’s Cabinet.  Katleen Sibelius, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn and many, many others who are in current positions in the Administration and Congress.

It’s not the Tea Party.  It’s the Progressives and Marxists in the Government.

The “Tea Party” consists of many different groups, both political as well as religious and non-religious.  Their MAIN GOAL isn’t “Anti-Government”.  Their MAIN GOAL is SMALLER GOVERNMENT.  Their other main goal is a reduction in taxes.  After all “TEA” stands for “Taxed Enough Already”. The Tea Party generally focuses on government reform.  Thus, among its goals are limiting the size of the federal government, reducing government spending, lowering the national debt and opposing tax increases

By comparison Obama and his ilk want MORE taxes.  They want more control over the people of this country.  They want to control the wealth of this country.  They want to nullify the Constitution.  Obama and his people want bigger government.  They want a police state – even though they say they don’t, they really do.  If not, when why have they grown the size of all the police agencies and turned them into an arm of the Government?

Who controls the government?  It is NOT the Tea Party.

The NSA spies on Americans.  The IRS interferes with the Tea Party and Conservative Americans who want the government made smaller.  There are a dozen other scandals out there – all of which have affected Americans – NOT foreign nationals.

The NSA’s charter doesn’t ALLOW it to spy on Americans – and the Tea Party doesn’t control the NSA.

So next time a loud mouth Marxist is out there calling the Tea Party “radical” remember who is talking.

It is HIGH TIME to turn this around and aim the spot light of truth on these people.  It’s time to STOP Marxism in America.  It’s time to Impeach this President.  There are plenty of laws broken by him and others have gone over those lists, I don’t have to reiterate them again.

Put a STOP to Marxism.  Stop Obamacare.  Impeach Obama.  Kick these marxists OUT of office.

And NO, they do NOT have freedom of speech.  They don’t believe in our Constitution, they should be removed from office.  Now. TODAY!

Time to Start the Movement

Might be a little early to find us a good Presidential Candidate and draft him to run – but I think it’s time we started thinking it through.

It is, however, TIME to Unite America Against Obama.  You’ve had FIVE years to view this man’s policies – most of which were put in place by his Marxist/Terrorist Cabinet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, THIS IS AMERICA.  We do NOT TAKE KINDLY to TYRANNY!  It’s time to stop it.

I think the conservatives, tea party and libertarians ought to – for once band together and get on the same sheet of music and propel someone into office. We’ve got to get someone that can

1) Reverse what Obama has done
2) CLOSE the EPA, the Dept of Education, get RID of the Homeland security department and break up the scams, scandals and corruption.
3) WEAKEN the government back down to a “by the people” condition.
4) Strength the US military – and refocus them on defending this country.
5) Remove the parap-military abilities the police have against American Citizens
6) bring back the strength of America, the belief in and respect of the American Citizen and not “government officials”.

Government officials have no more respect for us citizens than we do for cockroaches. And they are just as pervasive as roaches.

Seriously. We have blogs  with people from multiple states all with similar beliefs.  If we can get one person or group in each state to start working on this – such as the Tea Party, Libertarians, and Conservatives and start working to convince people of the advantages of getting someone in office we can get to do the things above, we might have a chance in hell of reversing some of this bullshit in our life times.

Obviously not everyone in these groups have exactly the same beliefs – we know and understand this.  However, we have beliefs CLOSE ENOUGH to one another (and some Libertarians, and even some Liberals belong to the Tea Party!) that we should be able to come together.  I’m not concerned about “building a new party”.  Screw the “party” system.  We need a LEADER who can reverse Obama’s destruction.  And while I may disagree with many things Libertarians say (specifically things like legalization of drugs – that’s a state matter anyway) – they need to step up to the plate too.

Our country is BROKEN. We have three more years of this idiot, the Man of Kenya who believes in Marxism.  We MUST find a leader who can stop the damage and reverse it.  Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and their ilk will simply continue the complete and utter destruction of this country, bringing it down to the level of African Politics (where every leader is a crazy man, and everyone wants to kill him to get their own crazy man in office).  This madness MUST STOP.

Obama is working under the assumption that someone like Hillary will take over when he leaves and force the rest down our throats. And he’s got three more years to screw up America. The worse he can make it, the more difficult it will be.

For every year this man has been in office now, it’s likely to take three or four years more to fix things. If he gets 8 years, it will take us a full generation to repair the damages – assuming we CAN fix the damages now.

Folks, it’s time to get out of the clock and stop the pendulum….

Rasmussen: 26% of Obama Supporters (And Shocking Number of Gov’t Workers) See Tea Party as Nation’s ‘Top Terror Threat’

Jun. 27, 2013 11:45am

A Rasmussen poll released Thursday indicates that 26% of President Obama’s supporters see the Tea Party as the nation’s “top terror threat.”

Perhaps more shockingly, a staggering 20% of government workers apparently hold a similar view, ranking the Tea Party as a greater national security risk than radical Muslims.

“Among those who Strongly Approve of the president, more fear the Tea Party than radical Muslims,” the report says.

Rasmussen: Strong Obama Supporters Fear Tea Party More than Radical Muslims

In this June 19, 2013, photo, Tea Party activists attend a rally on the grounds of the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, June 19, 2013. (Photo: AP)

The survey took place between June 22-23, 2013 among 1,000 likely voters.  The sampling error is considered to be +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

The exact wording of the question was: “Which is a bigger terrorist threat to the United States today – radical Muslims, the Tea Party, local militia groups, the Occupy Wall Street movement, or other religious or political extremists?”

Among all likely voters, Rasmussen reports that 51% said radical Islam is the biggest national security threat, compared to just 13% who cited the Tea Party.

Among those who disapprove of President Obama’s performance, 75% said they consider radical Muslims to be the bigger threat, compared to just 1% who said the Tea Party.

And while 20% of government workers apparently view the Tea Party as a national security risk, only 13% of private sector workers responded the same.

The report comes as the nation struggles to reform the Internal Revenue Service, which admitted to targeting conservative organizations for (sometimes years of) additional scrutiny, and reports that the NSA has been archiving all Americans’ telephone records for security purposes.

Click here to read the complete Rasmussen report.